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Poster: sambonk2 Date: May 6, 2009 6:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Garcias Best Vocal Year

Since we are on the "Best" roll....what do you think was garcias best vocal year...keep in mind,tone,pitch,timbre,emotion..

I am going with this order
5)1970..young and crisp
4)1971..smooth
3)1974..control and emotion
2)1990...EMOTION...
1)1976-77....clean,emotional,tone was beautiful

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Poster: Bob Gnarley Date: May 6, 2009 7:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcias Best Vocal Year

Best vocal show--not.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1988-04-03.sbd.miller.91161.sbeok.flac16

Crazy Fingers was horrible, Black Peter was worse.
I'll never forget watching Jerry throw his mike down on the stage.
He should've just not sang, like those show in January '78.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: May 6, 2009 7:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcias Best Vocal Year

i was at that show too and i'll never forget the mike=throwing either - felt bad for the guy - nasty cold/throat issue - i know the feeling - nothing he could have done about it other than, as you mentioned NOT SING!! :)

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Poster: sambonk2 Date: May 6, 2009 7:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcias Best Vocal Year

88....rough year for vocals

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: May 6, 2009 7:38am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcias Best Vocal Year

one of the three hartford shows in spring 88. i believe it was either the first or last of them - memory is not that good at recall. black peter was played two nights/shows in a row if memory serves.

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Poster: barongsong Date: May 7, 2009 10:03am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcias Best Vocal Year

The first show at Hartford was the one where is voice is totally gone. Felt bad for the guy playing on Easter Sunday instrumentally beautiful but the voice just would not work. The next night is a bit better but doing the lyrically heavy TOG was a bad call to say the least. I think the 2 Black peters were in Worcester if memory serves.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: May 7, 2009 11:00am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcias Best Vocal Year

you are right!!! i almost forgot that was Easter. i remember sitting at Easter dinner/lunch, getting up, my parents asking me where i was going, my response: dead show - their response: rolling of the eyes :)



(i think your memory serves correctly on the two worcester black peters too - though my memory "doesnt serve" - lol)

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: May 6, 2009 12:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcias Best Vocal Year

Toss-up between 1973 and 1977.

Listen to any "Birdsong" from 1973 then compare it w/almost any year after and you can see how he was able to hold a note and stretch out a sweet-sounding vocal in '73 so much better.

By '77 he's a little less able to nail the high notes but a greater maturity has come into his voice as well, and overall it's still pretty sweet. Nice example is the "Comes a Time" from 5/9/77

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Poster: spacedface Date: May 6, 2009 3:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcias Best Vocal Year

And some songs might be even more poignant in the 80's or later -- after hard times livin' the "good" life. "Comes a Times" on

http://www.archive.org/details/gd85-06-14.sbd.carman.13747.sbeok.shnf

seems more appropriate to personal and societal issues of the time. And maybe it's just my case, where a cloud of bitterness descended -- or maybe despite the unevenness I just like the band's 80's Tigerish sound better.

It could be that I'm just not a fan of the later Keith years that lack the intensity of the 60's and the ponderous experiments of 72-75.

But the last part of 5/9/77 is cool.

Oddly I thought that JGB played "Comes A Time" but this doesn't show it:
http://www.thejerrysite.com/songs/list?letter=C

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: May 6, 2009 3:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcias Best Vocal Year

I can't recall JGB ever doing Comes a Time.

Gonna check out that '85 version, though...I saw a ton of shows in '85 but generally regard it as a pretty poor year for the band and Jerry in particular.

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Poster: spacedface Date: May 6, 2009 3:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcias Best Vocal Year

I probably have a Warfield show mixed up for JGB.

And I wouldn't say that 85 is better than 77, esp May-June!, just some variety of the wine might age for different flavor.


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Poster: grendelschoice Date: May 6, 2009 4:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcias Best Vocal Year

indeed, if there's one complaint I have about '77 (and it's a small complaint) it's that there's not a whole lot of variety set-list wise.

They were a bit more adventerous in '85 (Walkin the Dog, Big Boss Man pop up every now and then)...but overall, tough to stack up the wheezing, about-to-go-coma '85 Jerry against his '77 counterpart.

*Not a bad version, esp. for '85...what Jer lacks in vocal power he makes up for in effort...you can tell he's really into it...also, I was not aware of this show overall...VERY cool set list...Dew up top to start 2nd set...I also like the China Doll and Smokestack heading into Comes a Time. Thanks! for the recommendation*

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Poster: spacedface Date: May 6, 2009 4:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcias Best Vocal Year

It's a good little set. I liked the band's sound and harmonious performances quite a bit after an encounter with the show on tape at Mt Shasta. I like the smaller things too, like the balaphon, the space, and touches like the echo added at "before I hit the ground" in China Doll.

Part of me couldn't understand why good but not elite performances like this didn't prove GD was good. Another of part of me was glad though because getting tickets could be nerve wracking, even as so many people hated them!

I think I have decided that for me 85, 89, 90 is better than 77, on the whole. That's odd but then I still prefer '68-75. Me, me, me, I tweet.

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Poster: NoiseCollector Date: May 6, 2009 5:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcias Best Vocal Year

Get a room.

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Poster: spacedface Date: May 6, 2009 9:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcias Best Vocal Year

Go to yours, you crackling hen.

You'll never hear surf music again, unless you get your pinky machine off the speed dial.

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Poster: NoiseCollector Date: May 14, 2009 10:04am
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me

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Poster: bluedevil Date: May 14, 2009 10:23am
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plagarist!

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Poster: NoiseCollector Date: May 14, 2009 2:34pm
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Fair Use Doctrine:

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3 references!

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Poster: bluedevil Date: May 14, 2009 2:36pm
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Nicely done.

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Poster: sambonk2 Date: May 6, 2009 7:24am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcias Best Vocal Year

84-87..not too good on the ol pipes for jer

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Poster: Mu-tron Date: May 6, 2009 7:16am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcias Best Vocal Year

1977- Still young and fresh but with an emotive quality that breathes so much emotion into the songs. Ie-Row Jimmy, Dew, Comes A Time, Terrapin

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Poster: GennyBenni Date: May 6, 2009 8:38am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcias Best Vocal Year

My favorite years for Garcia's voice are 1969 and 1977. He hadn't quite figured out how to sing in 1969 but I have never heard a performance of Dupree's Diamond Blues or Mountains of the Moon that didn't make me shake my head in amazement (although one time I was listening to DDB and my mom came in and said "what is wrong with that guy's voice?"... I said something like "what's wrong with YOU?!").

1977, I think, is actually when his voice peaked. It was never pretty in the silky-smooth sense of the word, but it was always beautiful, and this year he had gained a huge amount of control and power to his voice that would be diminished in the years to come (for me, 1983 was where it really started going downhill).

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Poster: dirtybuck Date: May 6, 2009 5:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcias Best Vocal Year

Again, i'm the odd man out.
I love his voice 83'- 84'. The emotion,tone etc.
Don't get me wrong, I cut my teeth w/ the early stuff and still love it, but I find his voice way too quiet and tenative back then. That being said, yes, 85' he started to have problems, after the coma, it was always strained and tough for me to listen to. The previous post of Comes a Time (1990) is not for me.
The man did indeed go though many vocal changes over the years. And we're all picky deadheads who like what we like

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: May 6, 2009 8:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcias Best Vocal Year

I like '76 Jerry vocals. He could still quietly croon a Stella or belt out a Dew, and his harmony singing with the others is great that year too. This is a 'best year' thread, right? ;-)

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Poster: Death&Mercy Date: May 6, 2009 4:57pm
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1971 - see Wharf Rat.

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Poster: falconcry77 Date: May 6, 2009 10:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcias Best Vocal Year

i like garcia's voice from different years for different songs. for example, i like his aged voice from 90-91 for terrapin better, but generally i like his younger voice.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: May 6, 2009 1:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcias Best Vocal Year

For Garcia's best vocals I'd say '70-77 without being able to pin a particular year. In '69 his singing is still pretty awkward, and it's still very 'young' for the next couple years - probably the best control over his voice comes in '76/77.
That said, the ballads just aren't the same in his young voice. Something like a Bird Song is better in every way in '73 of course, maybe a Wharf Rat because of all those long notes, but Stella Blue gains immeasurably in the '80s when he starts losing the voice. Comes a Time might be debatable. (And does High Time really sound right in his young 1970 voice? - he sounds like he wants to be Patsy Cline.) Some songs are meant to be sung by age & experience.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: May 6, 2009 9:40am
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1970-1977 his voice was pure, sweet, innocent yet convincing and real. 1978 started the noticable change with all the laryngitis etc. I'm convinced it had to do with whatever he was smoking.

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Poster: sambonk2 Date: May 6, 2009 9:56am
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agreed...1978 was the start....it really didn't start to go downhill till the end of 82...by 83,It was noticeable..I have a hard time Listening to 84-85 stuff sometimes because his voice is so strained

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: May 6, 2009 7:15am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Garcias Best Vocal Year

i agree with 76-77 and 90, but not too sure about true control in '74. oftentimes he didnt seem to realize that he was not "loud" enough in reference to everything else that was going on. can only go by recording since i didnt see shows in 74. this may have been by design also - i have no clue. I also thought 1980 was a great year for him vocally. Just a touch of gravel showing itsy-bitsy signs - portent of things to come - but still strong, emotional, and relatively clean and on-pitch